Europa VST/AU!!!!!
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Downloading the VST now to have a play with it and work out any bugs I find.
DAW: Reason 12
SAMPLERS: Akai MPC 2000, E-mu SP1200, E-Mu e5000Ultra, Ensoniq EPS 16+, Akai S950, Maschine
SYNTHS: Mostly classic Polysynths and more modern Monosynths. All are mostly food for my samplers!
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SAMPLERS: Akai MPC 2000, E-mu SP1200, E-Mu e5000Ultra, Ensoniq EPS 16+, Akai S950, Maschine
SYNTHS: Mostly classic Polysynths and more modern Monosynths. All are mostly food for my samplers!
www.soundcloud.com/jimmyklane
And this is how you make Serum afraid. Always the big picture.
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You can never have too many synths!guitfnky wrote: ↑30 May 2018
and I just saw the price...they're charging $150 for it once the intro price is done? there doesn't seem any reason a Serum user, for example, would ever want to buy Europa, and if you're in the market for a moderately expensive synth VST, wouldn't you just go with Serum in the first place?
Serum hasn't stopped other devs from making more wavetable synths for the VST/AU market.
Word, Europa & Serum sound COMPLETELY different. I actually prefer Europa's warmth in a lot of ways (and waaaaaay more CPU friendly).miscend wrote: ↑30 May 2018You can never have too many synths!guitfnky wrote: ↑30 May 2018
and I just saw the price...they're charging $150 for it once the intro price is done? there doesn't seem any reason a Serum user, for example, would ever want to buy Europa, and if you're in the market for a moderately expensive synth VST, wouldn't you just go with Serum in the first place?
Serum hasn't stopped other devs from making more wavetable synths for the VST/AU market.
Still, they're different beasts for different uses. I think this is a brilliant move by the Props.
I recently bought Harmor, and FL Studio just launched a new version - they're doing fine. It'll be the same here.
Nice!
Web player is an awesome concept.
Web player is an awesome concept.
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This is great news for REASON users!
1) They are branding it as "by Reason" --> this will draw attention to Reason
2) It is free with Reason 10 --> Reason 10 will seem more attractive to potential Reason users
3) The revenues this will generate will most likely exceed the cost for porting to VST and thus give Props more financial resources for other things
4) If this turns out to be successful, Props will be able to hire more staff for new instrument / RE development as each new RE/VST will generate more revenue than a RE alone
1) They are branding it as "by Reason" --> this will draw attention to Reason
2) It is free with Reason 10 --> Reason 10 will seem more attractive to potential Reason users
3) The revenues this will generate will most likely exceed the cost for porting to VST and thus give Props more financial resources for other things
4) If this turns out to be successful, Props will be able to hire more staff for new instrument / RE development as each new RE/VST will generate more revenue than a RE alone
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I think it's the same as in Reason. I've added single instance in Live 10.0.2, made a simple midi loop with a rich bass patch and this gave me 6% on Surface Pro 4 i7. Then I copied the track 10 times, played it all together and it was (surprisingly) around 12-13%.jimmyklane wrote: ↑30 May 2018Has anybody gotten a read on what the comparison is between the two versions in terms of CPU usage? Same?
I'd say it will be very usable.
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You get it. This is the first step in the transformation of the Rack Extension SDK into a universal, cross-platform instrument and effect ecosystem. The really interesting part will be if they make it a unified store, where purchases on one platform can sync to the others. Imagine cross-buying a synth that gives you the RE, the VST/AU, the mobile RE for Reason iOS, *and* the AUv3! Suddenly it becomes a lot more attractive for both customers (who only have to buy once) and developers (who only have to develop once) to get into the RE market.botnotbot wrote: ↑30 May 2018Reading between the lines here: They are showing off two separate, brand new target platforms for the RE SDK. They are not saying it in those terms, nor have they publicly announced it as an option for third party developers.
Therefore please read the following as rampant, if reasoned, speculation:
Europa is an RE plugin. Here we now have Europa running as a VST and as a browser thingamajig! They are flexing early evidence of the success of their design goals with the RE SDK, but this is absolutely just the beginning, IMO.
It seemed like an insane gambit to me at the time, but the RE ecosystem has a lot of interesting potential ahead of it. Since all of the third party ecosystem targets their toolchain, they can choose to upgrade the platform targets for the entire third party ecosystem whenever they add platform targets to their toolchain.
Obviously they don't consider this ready for third party availability yet, so I imagine targetting VST is not a super smooth process at the moment. But it has the potential to be.
So to my eyes this is Props essentially shooting a few fireworks into the air signalling that they are on their way to having the capability to ship a physical instrument that "runs" Reason in a way that any VST-dependent host will just never be able to manage as gracefully.
Weird and bad. I'm running Europa in Cubase 9.5.0.55 on Mac 10.12.6 with no problem. Will update to latest Cubase and see if I can reproduce.woodsdenis wrote: ↑30 May 2018Blacklisted by Cubase 9.5.30, if bypassed crashes Cubase on instantiation. Mac 10.12.6
thanks / LudvigC (product designer)
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Awesome, thanks for testing for me, I wasn’t in a position to test when I posted....and I’ve uninstalled every other daw to clean house. All the 32-bit plugins are moved over to the storage raid, and I’m working with a pretty lean set of key plugs and instruments not counting my physical synths. I’ve ALWAYS been amazed at how CPU light the internal instruments are, and especially the new instruments sound really really good. No idea how they do it, but they do.antic604 wrote: ↑30 May 2018I think it's the same as in Reason. I've added single instance in Live 10.0.2, made a simple midi loop with a rich bass patch and this gave me 6% on Surface Pro 4 i7. Then I copied the track 10 times, played it all together and it was (surprisingly) around 12-13%.jimmyklane wrote: ↑30 May 2018Has anybody gotten a read on what the comparison is between the two versions in terms of CPU usage? Same?
I'd say it will be very usable.
DAW: Reason 12
SAMPLERS: Akai MPC 2000, E-mu SP1200, E-Mu e5000Ultra, Ensoniq EPS 16+, Akai S950, Maschine
SYNTHS: Mostly classic Polysynths and more modern Monosynths. All are mostly food for my samplers!
www.soundcloud.com/jimmyklane
SAMPLERS: Akai MPC 2000, E-mu SP1200, E-Mu e5000Ultra, Ensoniq EPS 16+, Akai S950, Maschine
SYNTHS: Mostly classic Polysynths and more modern Monosynths. All are mostly food for my samplers!
www.soundcloud.com/jimmyklane
Imagine this! Imagine Antidote, PMS20, GQ7 etc all available as VST! Imagine a world where a RE dev can simply click a checkboxfieldframe wrote: ↑30 May 2018You get it. This is the first step in the transformation of the Rack Extension SDK into a universal, cross-platform instrument and effect ecosystem. The really interesting part will be if they make it a unified store, where purchases on one platform can sync to the others. Imagine cross-buying a synth that gives you the RE, the VST/AU, the mobile RE for Reason iOS, *and* the AUv3! Suddenly it becomes a lot more attractive for both customers (who only have to buy once) and developers (who only have to develop once) to get into the RE market.
"make available as VST and IOS app"
, without any additional development effort.
This would make RE development so much more attractive!
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Thats a really nice surprise, thanks!
Now please port everything else and make a vst with a reason rack inside it!
Now please port everything else and make a vst with a reason rack inside it!
How 'bout format agnostic devices even?djadalaide wrote: ↑30 May 2018Thats a really nice surprise, thanks!
Now please port everything else and make a vst with a reason rack inside it!
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You can scroll through presets with the VST window open - the up and down arrows work with your QWERTY keyboard arrows. You can't map them to your P4?
Win 10 | Ableton Live 11 Suite | Reason 12 | i7 3770k @ 3.5 Ghz | 16 GB RAM | RME Babyface Pro | Akai MPC Live 2 & Akai Force | Roland System 8, MX1, TB3 | Dreadbox Typhon | Korg Minilogue XD
Still works fine after updating to Cubase 9.5.30. Will continue research.LudvigC wrote: ↑30 May 2018Weird and bad. I'm running Europa in Cubase 9.5.0.55 on Mac 10.12.6 with no problem. Will update to latest Cubase and see if I can reproduce.woodsdenis wrote: ↑30 May 2018Blacklisted by Cubase 9.5.30, if bypassed crashes Cubase on instantiation. Mac 10.12.6
thanks / LudvigC (product designer)
/ LudvigC
That's effectively what RE SDK is. It's platform agnostic so once you submit it to Propellerhead it can be compiled for practically any platform. Nintendo Switch, web browser via WebAssembly / asm.js, or iOS.
All that is required is for Propellerhead to provide a platform enclosure around the Rack Extension. The Europa RE support for VST/AU/Web means they already have the means to make them all available on those platforms (inputs and outputs permitting).
Not only that, I just had a quick look over the JavaScript file that executes/delegates the logic of the device. It seems as there are further player RE devices (scales and chords, dual arpeggio) loaded and connected to Europa. These seem to be used for the scales and chords and arpeggios functionality on the web page. So there is even an interconnection of the REs! I think we will see a web based rack in the future.rcbuse wrote: ↑30 May 2018And a web playable version! https://www.propellerheads.se/europa
Thats pretty amazing!
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