Complex from Propellerhead
- SoundObjects
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On Complex and other RE synths with lacking CV inputs on the back panel I
often use this simple workaround:
1. Put the RE synth into a combinator.
2. In the combinator programmer select the synth and map the desired CV to one of the 4 rotarys.
3. Plug the cable from the CV source output into the selected rotary input on the combinator back panel.
Of course this workaround is only for lacking CV inputs and not the lacking CV outputs
and audio
often use this simple workaround:
1. Put the RE synth into a combinator.
2. In the combinator programmer select the synth and map the desired CV to one of the 4 rotarys.
3. Plug the cable from the CV source output into the selected rotary input on the combinator back panel.
Of course this workaround is only for lacking CV inputs and not the lacking CV outputs
and audio
The Universe Is Vibrating
I don’t think I’m overstepping anything by saying that no, you’re not allowed to put custom displays on the back panel.
- kuhliloach
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I am aware there are synths priced at $100 or more all across the market. I just don't buy them; as it stands I'm up to my ears in synths and still have so much to learn about Reason's stock synths. And it's not just $100 Propellerhead synths I don't buy -- it all vendors. I'll probably never own Serum. Maybe if the low cost or free synths I already have weren't so darn powerful I might see offerings like these as something I need. But that's not the case. Parsec, Layers, PX7, Complex-1, Umpf, Quad Note Generator, are just a few in a long list of plugins I won't pay more than twenty dollars for.antic604 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2018How old is Hybrid3? I'd imagine its sales covered the development costs few times over by now, so it's just a free publicity nowadays.kuhliloach wrote: ↑20 Dec 2018Looks cool! Sounds cool! But why is it so absurdly expensive? Is there really a thriving market for $100 software synths? This is yet another RE in a long list of Props-developed RE's that are far out of my price range (unlike Hybrid 3 which I recently bought on sale for a dollar.) Hope you all enjoy it.
Also, you can get Complex-1 via rent-to-own for 9.99 / month
Lastly, where were you that you're not aware of synths costing around 100? Just the ones I considered recently - Virus @89, Hive @119, Dune3 *upgrade* @79 are all +/- 100. This is a regular price for a synth.
So, in other words you're saying it should cost less because YOU have many other synths you've not mastered yet? Hmm...kuhliloach wrote: ↑21 Dec 2018I am aware there are synths priced at $100 or more all across the market. I just don't buy them; as it stands I'm up to my ears in synths and still have so much to learn about Reason's stock synths. And it's not just $100 Propellerhead synths I don't buy -- it all vendors. I'll probably never own Serum. Maybe if the low cost or free synths I already have weren't so darn powerful I might see offerings like these as something I need. But that's not the case. Parsec, Layers, PX7, Complex-1, Umpf, Quad Note Generator, are just a few in a long list of plugins I won't pay more than twenty dollars for.
- theshoemaker
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AttenuationHz wrote: ↑21 Dec 2018Just a thought perhaps a few more excludes and batch the randomness would be in order there. Approach it locally per module?theshoemaker wrote: ↑21 Dec 2018I am overwhelmed ... will have some playtime over christmas.
I've just been throwing my REndmozier on complex ... need to create some meaningfull randomization rules first.
But it's really nice doing random exploration. Here is a short 15 minute 'Let's REndomize'
The way I see it there is far to many possible combinations to get to a patch that might yield favourable results. Might be better to randomise on 1 or 2 outputs at a time also!
Exactly what I did afterwards. Just wanted to test first. Will do more over the holidays, and hoping to come closer to a beta release. Antidote spits out amazing results on total randomization. But this all offtopic. Great device! Love the possibilities
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- theshoemaker
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I tried that... have a look at page 10 or 11 of this thread. Very hard for total randomization. But you get amazing results after some time. TBH per MODULE randomization works great. Here is a short demo for the OSC modules
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I think it is just because of sandboxing every RE. other than this I don’t see any difficulties proving an API for modules like thisselig wrote: ↑18 Dec 2018If I understand what's going on, my personal view (not based on any inside information) is that the limitations would involve the number and placement and name of the modulation points. All jacks would have to be in exactly the same place and have the same name (I could be wrong about this part) to work correctly. This means all connections would remain in place when you switched modules. This also means you could likely only select (at best) between a very limited number of similar modules, which is VERY non-modular at the core. It's only one small step away from the current setup, and there would certainly be no way for third party modules.scratchnsnifff wrote: ↑18 Dec 2018
Ohh I mis represented what I meant. While I see what you mean and you are correct I just mean something along the lines of a limited size modular. Like for example take complex 1. But have drop down field arrows (like in an excel table) and have the option of having various oscillators filters etc
But yeah, if someone who was wanting a full blown system, you’d have to get use to building up and downwards due to the width restraint, do you think it’s possible for the props to add interchangeable oscillators to this synth as is though?
In fact, even adding what I described above, if possible, may require a whole new synth.
Of course, I would love to have different oscillators and filter options at the very least. But maybe there's a better way to do this, which is to do it as it is done with the Noise and Function module, where you select from a list of possible core options and the UI stays the same.
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- AttenuationHz
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Cool stuff!theshoemaker wrote: ↑21 Dec 2018
I think it is just because of sandboxing every RE. other than this I don’t see any difficulties proving an API for modules like this
It is not too much of an ask for people or things to be the best version of itself!
Thanks for the reply. So this type of cabling could only be done on the front panel then. I've seen some REs with mod matrixes on the back I think, so perhaps a RE could have cables on the front with the mod matrix on the back. Except that as others have said the number of matrix slots would be huge.
To each his own man.. I wouldn't let someone pay ME 100 dollars to use that hybrid 3 synth you mentioned.kuhliloach wrote: ↑21 Dec 2018I am aware there are synths priced at $100 or more all across the market. I just don't buy them; as it stands I'm up to my ears in synths and still have so much to learn about Reason's stock synths. And it's not just $100 Propellerhead synths I don't buy -- it all vendors. I'll probably never own Serum. Maybe if the low cost or free synths I already have weren't so darn powerful I might see offerings like these as something I need. But that's not the case. Parsec, Layers, PX7, Complex-1, Umpf, Quad Note Generator, are just a few in a long list of plugins I won't pay more than twenty dollars for.antic604 wrote: ↑21 Dec 2018
How old is Hybrid3? I'd imagine its sales covered the development costs few times over by now, so it's just a free publicity nowadays.
Also, you can get Complex-1 via rent-to-own for 9.99 / month
Lastly, where were you that you're not aware of synths costing around 100? Just the ones I considered recently - Virus @89, Hive @119, Dune3 *upgrade* @79 are all +/- 100. This is a regular price for a synth.
- AttenuationHz
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Wouldn't use it if you paid me $100aeox wrote: ↑21 Dec 2018To each his own man.. I wouldn't let someone pay ME 100 dollars to use that hybrid 3 synth you mentioned.kuhliloach wrote: ↑21 Dec 2018
I am aware there are synths priced at $100 or more all across the market. I just don't buy them; as it stands I'm up to my ears in synths and still have so much to learn about Reason's stock synths. And it's not just $100 Propellerhead synths I don't buy -- it all vendors. I'll probably never own Serum. Maybe if the low cost or free synths I already have weren't so darn powerful I might see offerings like these as something I need. But that's not the case. Parsec, Layers, PX7, Complex-1, Umpf, Quad Note Generator, are just a few in a long list of plugins I won't pay more than twenty dollars for.
It is not too much of an ask for people or things to be the best version of itself!
I said that wrong didn't I?
- AttenuationHz
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Still makes sense in my tiny little brain
Hey, with so few jacks on the back, there’s plenty of room. And it doesn’t necessarily have to be done with a mod matrix. But the point is Complex-1 is pretty useful as it is now as far as I’m concerned!dioxide wrote:Thanks for the reply. So this type of cabling could only be done on the front panel then. I've seen some REs with mod matrixes on the back I think, so perhaps a RE could have cables on the front with the mod matrix on the back. Except that as others have said the number of matrix slots would be huge.
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Nice synth. I do wish they would have given it some polyphony and more I/O (on the back). Also, the lack of aftertouch is a strange omission, but still a nice synth.
Another personal want/wish is that I would have preferred a dual function generator a la maths, or similar, instead of the ADSR to give it even more west coast flavor.
Another personal want/wish is that I would have preferred a dual function generator a la maths, or similar, instead of the ADSR to give it even more west coast flavor.
- AttenuationHz
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That would probably require a manual of its own but definitely would have been great! Even something similar to Rampage would have been nice.eXode wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018Nice synth. I do wish they would have given it some polyphony and more I/O (on the back). Also, the lack of aftertouch is a strange omission, but still a nice synth.
Another personal want/wish is that I would have preferred a dual function generator a la maths, or similar, instead of the ADSR to give it even more west coast flavor.
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It is not too much of an ask for people or things to be the best version of itself!
I was hoping for both, actually, or at least the ability to switch. The attraction of Eurorack for me is the mix/match ability, which is not really present in Complex-1.eXode wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018Nice synth. I do wish they would have given it some polyphony and more I/O (on the back). Also, the lack of aftertouch is a strange omission, but still a nice synth.
Another personal want/wish is that I would have preferred a dual function generator a la maths, or similar, instead of the ADSR to give it even more west coast flavor.
Selig Audio, LLC
I really wanted to like this synth...I really did. I think the initial patch, Canada, sounds great...there are probably a couple more that I liked too but, overall, it just didn't float my boat enough to make me want to buy it - plus, I don't have enough time to learn to make my own patches, which is where I think the strength of this kind of synth lies.
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It definitely lies in having previous experience with modular theory. But I wouldn't let that hold you back. There are a lot of Youtube resources explaining how stuff works you can pick that up pretty much hand in hand with patching it and the concepts would be the same. There is one in particular that I found very helpful:xylyx wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018I really wanted to like this synth...I really did. I think the initial patch, Canada, sounds great...there are probably a couple more that I liked too but, overall, it just didn't float my boat enough to make me want to buy it - plus, I don't have enough time to learn to make my own patches, which is where I think the strength of this kind of synth lies.
It is not too much of an ask for people or things to be the best version of itself!
- AttenuationHz
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Where's the best place to report bugs for Complex-1? bugs@propellerheads.se or is there a Zendesk link that's still in use, like the beta for 10.2?
Iv'e come across a few that might have been missed.
Iv'e come across a few that might have been missed.
It is not too much of an ask for people or things to be the best version of itself!
I think an easy way is to draw an empty midi clip and then bounce it in place. It should work just fine and is faster then recording in real time.Jmax wrote:This may be a stupid question..
How do I go about capturing the audio it is creating. Say I load a Generative patch and hit record... but no midi is captured. So in turn doesn't capture any audio from the device. Even though it keeps playing.
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- kuhliloach
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For something that's modular the most odd thing about it is that all the modules are stuck together in a static non-modular fashion with no way to remove modules; the intention is that you don't remove them, you just don't use the modules you don't want to use, but you still have to look at them. I was hoping for a real Euro rack emulation at some point. That said I feel Props has done a great thing with front facing slidable cables. Complex-1 is so "Propellerhead" in my opinion. Plop a giant non-standard interface in the middle of a previously existing land of confusion and you can be "Propellerhead" too. This thing is as daring as taking early Reason and plopping a giant SSL emulation on top of it. Jarring. Strange. Unfriendly. Yet very powerful once you get used to it. They are Homer Simpson in software company form.
I'm coming to grips with this synth and discovering it is quite a sonic joy. I've been forcing myself to start from scratch on patches and I'm getting sounds that wouldn't have even been on my radar to try if I didn't have this all-in-one playground full of happy accidents. Sometimes I get what I want, but just as often it seems I end up with something that's even better than what I had in mind.
Right now I'm having a blast creating paraphonic sequences with rumbly bass grooves and chimy melodies all within one instance of Complex-1. And with 4x oversampling ...
Loving it.
Right now I'm having a blast creating paraphonic sequences with rumbly bass grooves and chimy melodies all within one instance of Complex-1. And with 4x oversampling ...
Loving it.
Doh!kuhliloach wrote: ↑22 Dec 2018For something that's modular the most odd thing about it is that all the modules are stuck together in a static non-modular fashion with no way to remove modules; the intention is that you don't remove them, you just don't use the modules you don't want to use, but you still have to look at them. I was hoping for a real Euro rack emulation at some point. That said I feel Props has done a great thing with front facing slidable cables. Complex-1 is so "Propellerhead" in my opinion. Plop a giant non-standard interface in the middle of a previously existing land of confusion and you can be "Propellerhead" too. This thing is as daring as taking early Reason and plopping a giant SSL emulation on top of it. Jarring. Strange. Unfriendly. Yet very powerful once you get used to it. They are Homer Simpson in software company form.
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