Fighting with Reason

[Kenni]

Please refrain from low-content posting.

If you have nothing constructive to add, then don't add anything.

[Logismos]

Kenni is now deciding to delete posts. Ok.
All I replied to Ottostrom was "...stfu,or show something" Show The Facts Underlying.
Trolls beware.

[chimp_spanner]

I never knew that's what STFU stood for Look the biggest factor in threads like these (and it's by no means exclusive to Reason or any DAW) is *us*. It's human nature. Bias, preference, pride, subjectivity. And maybe a slight tendency to overreact and pick fights. We've all done it. Just chill and take five. Make a cup of tea. Tea fixes everything. Trust me, I'm a Brit. I know.

I think if we're at the point of comparing null tests and looking for a fraction of a decibel of residual noise...we're into the realm of blaming our tools rather than looking to improve our knowledge of how to use them. There are pleeeenty of Logic users who say the same thing about PT; "my mixes just SOUND better in Logic than PT". Or Cubase/Logic. Or Studio One/Reaper. When it's way more likely that they just work better in that environment. Nothing wrong with that. But guys...it's really nothing worth fighting about.

I'd much rather spend my time helping someone, like the OP, to get the mix they want in Reason than spending ages obsessing over null tests and revisiting this tired (and debunked) idea of the Reason sound.

That said, if time allows, I might try and video my best attempt at a thorough and impartial test. It might be..erm...fun?? I dunno. I'll wait until I'm really, really bored

[Kenni]

Kenni is now deciding to delete posts. Ok.
All I replied to Ottostrom was "...stfu,or show something" Show The Facts Underlying.
Trolls beware.

Yeah, I'm such a nazi, I'm sorry. Of course I should permit people telling other people to "stfu", like, you know, real grown ups do, in a thread like this.

I honestly don't understand why you guys are still arguing this. You're trying to find flaws in well documented and well understood processes. Also, I'm still waiting for the explanation that proves how wrong I am, from a guy who's fees I cannot afford.

[8cros]

Easiest solution - export the vocal to PT and set the R-Comp the way you like it. Then re-import back to Reason and see how that works for you. I do the opposite when working in PT, exporting to Reason do use my De-Esser and Leveler, then re-importing back to PT for the mix.

My question is drowned unnoticed.
No mind if I repeat?

Why are you doing it? After all, there is no difference. (If it can not be secret). ...back to PT for the mix.

Why are you doing it? After all, there is no difference. (If it can not be secret). ...back to PT for the mix.

[chimp_spanner]

Easiest solution - export the vocal to PT and set the R-Comp the way you like it. Then re-import back to Reason and see how that works for you. I do the opposite when working in PT, exporting to Reason do use my De-Esser and Leveler, then re-importing back to PT for the mix.

My question is drowned unnoticed.
No mind if I repeat?

Why are you doing it? After all, there is no difference. (If it can not be secret). ...back to PT for the mix.

Why are you doing it? After all, there is no difference. (If it can not be secret). ...back to PT for the mix.

(It's pure curiosity ).

Because, I am guessing, he likes the de esser and leveller in Reason but wants to mix using other plugins in PT? Plenty of reasons why you'd want to do that without there being any fundamental difference in how the programs handle audio. These days the only times I load things into Cubase are when I need things only Cubase has.

[WongoTheSane]

Easiest solution - export the vocal to PT and set the R-Comp the way you like it. Then re-import back to Reason and see how that works for you. I do the opposite when working in PT, exporting to Reason do use my De-Esser and Leveler, then re-importing back to PT for the mix.

My question is drowned unnoticed.
No mind if I repeat?

Why are you doing it? After all, there is no difference. (If it can not be secret). ...back to PT for the mix.

Why are you doing it? After all, there is no difference. (If it can not be secret). ...back to PT for the mix.

There's no difference in audio rendering but in this example he's using a PT plugin that's not available in Reason and two Reason plugins that are not available in PT.

[8cros]

Easiest solution - export the vocal to PT and set the R-Comp the way you like it. Then re-import back to Reason and see how that works for you. I do the opposite when working in PT, exporting to Reason do use my De-Esser and Leveler, then re-importing back to PT for the mix.

My question is drowned unnoticed.
No mind if I repeat?

Why are you doing it? After all, there is no difference. (If it can not be secret). ...back to PT for the mix.

Why are you doing it? After all, there is no difference. (If it can not be secret). ...back to PT for the mix.

(It's pure curiosity ).

Because, I am guessing, he likes the de esser and leveller in Reason but wants to mix using other plugins in PT? Plenty of reasons why you'd want to do that without there being any fundamental difference in how the programs handle audio. These days the only times I load things into Cubase are when I need things only Cubase has.

I would like some sort of secret.

[EnochLight]

seem like you did a complete 180 on me, compared to your initial response (at least, that's what the evidence suggests that you posted above). I guess.. yay?

Wrong again,sorry.

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[Logismos]

Tea fixes everything. Trust me, I'm a Brit. I know.

I do luv a good 'ol cuppa. =) see ya down the muzzies m8 .....

My question is drowned unnoticed.
No mind if I repeat?

Hmm lol get used to that here. There's sooo much noise going on. hahahaaaaaaaa...

Also, I'm still waiting for the explanation that proves how wrong I am, from a guy who's fees I cannot afford.

I am really friken expensive m8! rofl... anyways what explaination? about what? maybe you need to prove something here,not me?

Nobody comments on other inconclusive posts that have been made in this comepical topic.


O here we go again.. another troll post from EnochLight - lol. has nothing here.

[Logismos]

Why are you doing it? After all, there is no difference. (If it can not be secret). ...back to PT for the mix.

(It's pure curiosity ).[/quote]

Because, I am guessing, he likes the de esser and leveller in Reason but wants to mix using other plugins in PT? Plenty of reasons why you'd want to do that without there being any fundamental difference in how the programs handle audio. These days the only times I load things into Cubase are when I need things only Cubase has.

I guess not.
It's the same reason you probably use Cubase like plenty of others break out of reason to finalize-there is obviously technical or working advantages to doing that?
People don't just break away from reason for vst use-so why do they have to mix elsewhere if reason supplies all the needs?

[EnochLight]

O here we go again.. another troll post from EnochLight - lol. has nothing here.

Well, all in good fun - and that was actually posted by WongoTheSane many, many pages ago. There's really nothing to add to this thread, IMHO, as it appears you are choosing to ignore all of the evidence posted.

I ask you to be honest with yourself: it's clearly a preference of where we prefer to mix/produce/etc. Some prefer Reason; some prefer other DAW. Simples. No need to complicate this any further. The two videos you posted a page back sums things up nicely, though (even though Reason wasn't featured).

That said, carry on!

[chimp_spanner]

I guess not.
It's the same reason you probably use Cubase like plenty of others break out of reason to finalize-there is obviously technical or working advantages to doing that?
People don't just break away from reason for vst use-so why do they have to mix elsewhere if reason supplies all the needs?

There's no great secret; the only obvious technical/working differences for me are which instruments and effects I have access to. If I need Superior Drummer 2, Guitar Rig, Komplete, etc. I'll just start and finish the project in Cubase because I'd rather not be bound to my stems (or otherwise have to keep constantly quitting, loading, changing and re-exporting). Likewise, if I need what Reason is good at I just start and finish in that. Very occasionally I'll go into Cubase to bounce out something if I really need that sound, but I prefer to mix where the majority of my live processing/triggering is happening.

Obviously some people are happy to work in both at different stages in their production. I'm just sharing my experience. There's no advantage for me sonically between one or the other. It's just which tools I need for the job at hand.

Beyond that, obviously there are some objective advantages (like Cubase having folder tracks, a better MIDI editor, etc.) but that's outside of the scope of this thread.

[selig]

Kenni is now deciding to delete posts. Ok.
All I replied to Ottostrom was "...stfu,or show something" Show The Facts Underlying.
Trolls beware.

Yeah, I'm such a nazi, I'm sorry. Of course I should permit people telling other people to "stfu", like, you know, real grown ups do, in a thread like this.

I honestly don't understand why you guys are still arguing this. You're trying to find flaws in well documented and well understood processes. Also, I'm still waiting for the explanation that proves how wrong I am, from a guy who's fees I cannot afford.

Kenni, you can take it from here if you like. I'm not expecting any different behavior, so I'm going to take a break.
It's a shame a few are ruining it for the rest.

[8cros]

People who answered me, just difficult to collect all the quotes together.

You think I do not understand why? I did not want your version of the same ignorance of what I know.
I turned to Selig, because I'm curious. Why are you ruined everything?


I do not care why you answer when the question was not addressed to you.
I'm interested in actions Developer in practice. I have 3 Selig Re and I wonder.


But everything is spoiled, probably right now everyone is happy.

[FlowerSoldier]

[Kenni]

Closed, because take a wild guess, that's why.

If anyone wants to complain, send me a PM.