AI - Cheating or just evolution?

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24 Feb 2024

The future is going to be hard to interpret what is real or not, I'm absolutely grateful that I'm around to see this massive leap in human evolution but also glad that I'm old enough to not be around when it goes to shit.

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And A.I music creation just keeps getting better and better :shock:

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https://humanaigc.github.io/emote-portrait-alive/

I think that's pretty impressive and it could be really useful to get some nice music videos going for solo/bedroom producers.

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jam-s wrote:
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https://humanaigc.github.io/emote-portrait-alive/

I think that's pretty impressive and it could be really useful to get some nice music videos going for solo/bedroom producers.
All our forum images and avatars can sing now :puf_smile:

I went to the site https://humanaigc.github.io/emote-portrait-alive/ and played Character: AI Lady from SORA in full screen. Looks like the AI added the eyes behind the sunglasses while keeping the right amount of transparency. You can barely see them blinking.

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Wow! A.I music creation keeps getting better and better, this really is nuts! :shock:

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Suno out with new version.
I tried it for the first time.
Few clicks and full production,
any style, any number of variations.
I hear no difference from 95% of real artists.
Only difference is that it is even higher quality than most that are manmade.
Field after field, AI forefront companies revolutionize and blow our minds.

AI is far better than I will ever be at writing and producing music.

And same in visual art. Not saying human touch is unnecessary,
but if we look at AI as a tool, how will we use it in the field of music, art, poetry etc.
Who have copyright of what? Does all belong to the AI-companies who developed the algoritm?
But these algoritms means nothing if they have not been able to scan and sample and have collected endless of reference data that no human even can be able to do in a lifetime. AI is so superior in getting "influences" and inputs.
AI can learn in ways we just cannot do. Will we only be the icing on the cake? Controllers, fine adjusters, giving hints and suggestions, for AI to deliver and do all the basic work that can be a bit tedious?

In medical field, AI will be 300% better than the individual doctor. But will all doctors become irrelevant? Probably not, they need be trained in handling the AI tools, making the final decision and make adjustments etc.
Will people daily use AI health tools instead of running to healthcare system every little symptom? I guess so.

AI is here and the development is very rapid. Many jobs will become obsolete. Ofcourse the best of the best will be able to make an income in any field, but also them, will have to adapt and learn to handle the new AI tools. I guess the AI-tools will need go through some expertise panel testings to be certified and also info on possible side effects or errors, and things to be extra cautious in the way we interpret what comes out. If we miss put in some crucial info, the answer might become another, so still it will become very important when handling it, especially in the beginning and Beta-versions.

The AI-tech can and will be both a happy hopeful helper and a threat if misused or too blindly follow all it is putting out.

But in the world of music making or producing, we all would love to be able to spend less time in dragging cables and tuning guitars and setting up all the mics and doing all the basics. But we have not even got potent AI mixing and mastering assistants or truly intelligent AI-instruments, before companies make whoever push a randomize button, and get both lyrics and any genre songs all with instruments, backup singing and balanced mixed and mastered songs.

I would love to use AI-tools for music where I am allowed to feed it with as much of my own ideas (we all have those different song parts, half-lyrics, maybe a chorus etc) or basic song, and be able to finish the song with the help of AI. So that AI becomes like a collaborator and coworker that has better skills to contribute and give suggestions, but where I have the final say and need to make the choices and adjustments. But pushing a button and get radio ready songs out of nowhere, It is fun, but it is nothing made by myself, so what to do with that?

Will originality become even more important? For as of today, most pop-songs are streamlined and already sounds generic and often a bit flat. With all the mainstream music existing, I can not tell if that could be made by human or an AI-generator.

Will anyone want to pay anything for music or art anymore? Some with resources will hire the best ones still, but so many so so jobs will go away. Maybe that is ok. Just like factory owners made most money, so do the AI-tech industry get most and invest to diminish even more simple jobs. Robots will do most manual labour once getting cheaper.

So, I cant see how we can go into this new age of AI without abandoning the economical, political and financial dinosaurs of today that is a rest from past times. This basic job struggling for paying rent and food etc, I cant see that kind of slavery to continue in the new era.

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Who have copyright of what? Does all belong to the AI-companies who developed the algoritm?
But these algoritms means nothing if they have not been able to scan and sample and have collected endless of reference data that no human even can be able to do in a lifetime. AI is so superior in getting "influences" and inputs.
AI can learn in ways we just cannot do. Will we only be the icing on the cake? Controllers, fine adjusters, giving hints and suggestions, for AI to deliver and do all the basic work that can be a bit tedious?
The solution to this is simple: Get rid of the (outdated) copyright laws altogether as they don't benefit the creators and instead just pose an nice source of income for lawyers.

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jam-s wrote:
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Yonatan wrote:
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Who have copyright of what? Does all belong to the AI-companies who developed the algoritm?
But these algoritms means nothing if they have not been able to scan and sample and have collected endless of reference data that no human even can be able to do in a lifetime. AI is so superior in getting "influences" and inputs.
AI can learn in ways we just cannot do. Will we only be the icing on the cake? Controllers, fine adjusters, giving hints and suggestions, for AI to deliver and do all the basic work that can be a bit tedious?
The solution to this is simple: Get rid of the (outdated) copyright laws altogether as they don't benefit the creators and instead just pose an nice source of income for lawyers.
One thing is sure, copyright protection has to go AI itself to be able to detect and protect in the near future or the courts will be overflood and messy.

As so far, only few cases of stealing content has been in higher court. But now what is available in AI generators for everyone to (ab)use, is a ketchup effect. And the AI party has just merely started.

And whatever music being uploaded to Internet, will get detected and brought into the AI reference library. Maybe the algoritm will be fine adjusted just enough to not get trouble with the current law.

The risk is that old generations try to ban AI in ways that only makes its evolution postponed. There need be some regulation for sure, but the laws and juridical systems are so many steps behind.

I mean, if EU would ban AI in some sorts, to "protect jobs" (that few like anyways), AI will still develop in other parts and EU will be even more old and degenerative.

I believe the whole philosofical question of ownership will become more and more pressing.
Who owns what? Also because some will become super rich, while many will lose their income in a system still built on 1900-thinking.

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Glue pizza and eat rocks


The recent rollout of Google’s AI-powered search feature, AI Overviews, has sparked controversy after users reported receiving bizarre and inaccurate responses to their queries. One of the most notable examples is the suggestion to “glue pizza” and “eat rocks.” But what’s behind these unusual responses, and what does it mean for the future of AI-generated search results?

The Origins of the Glue Pizza and Eat Rocks Suggestion

The AI Overviews feature uses natural language processing (NLP) and machine learning algorithms to generate responses to user queries. In this case, the feature appears to have relied on outdated or incorrect information from online sources, including a Reddit post from 11 years ago. The post, which joked about using glue to make pizza cheese stick, was taken as fact by the AI algorithm and presented as a legitimate solution to the user’s query.

The Consequences of AI-Generated Search Results

The glue pizza and eat rocks suggestion is just one example of the potential pitfalls of AI-generated search results. While AI algorithms can process vast amounts of data quickly and efficiently, they are only as good as the information they are trained on. If the training data is incomplete, inaccurate, or outdated, the AI-generated responses will likely be flawed as well.

What Does This Mean for the Future of AI-Generated Search Results?

The recent controversy surrounding AI Overviews serves as a reminder of the importance of high-quality training data and the need for AI algorithms to be transparent and accountable. As AI-generated search results become increasingly prevalent, it’s essential to ensure that they are accurate, reliable, and trustworthy.

Conclusion

The glue pizza and eat rocks suggestion may seem like a harmless joke, but it highlights the potential risks and challenges associated with AI-generated search results. As we move forward, it’s crucial to prioritize the development of AI algorithms that are transparent, accountable, and grounded in high-quality training data. Only then can we ensure that AI-generated search results are accurate, reliable, and trustworthy.

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Yeah, we surely will see so many bad results from AI now when not a single tech company that wants to survive, try to do something AI related. For the giants like Google, there is a race to be the first one and they will probably try buy smaller upstarters that makes any significant progress in it.
And also we already see China and secret services in most countries, to try use AI to get control plus in a cold war of desinformation and rumour spreading
Some will win elections due to these campaigns as already happens.
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It's easy to build a bad model, but OpenAI's models seem to handle that without much issue.

LLMs are a bit of a party trick in how they're used.

But when combined with other approaches such as knowledge graphs and SFP, they'll be able to iron out a lot of these kinks.

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